Real Modern Man

Silver, thanks for this question. I think you are right on in your assessment.

You'll note in the show that I actually mentioned both scenarios: ASD is created by society in a couple of ways, one being the M/w complex which predominates in men (but which women also suffer from); the other being the potential scorn from other women.

With respect to the scorn from other women, I think that women will intentionally use men's M/w complex to try to create an atmosphere of shame for the woman if she "gets out of line". What I mean is, let's say a woman is talking to a PUA and having a great time... her girlfriends will often express disapproval for the benefit of the male audience, so that then men can say "yeah, a good girl would not be behaving this way; she must be 'easy'".

So you are absolutely right: you need to subcommunicate that you are non-judgmental and that you do not have the M/w complex - and there are several ways you can do this - and you also need to demonstrate discretion. I did mention in the episode that before escalating physically too much with a woman, you should have her into isolation. This avoids the scorn of other women, and also demonstrates that you are discreet and will not be a social danger to her.

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I am not sure that it's the case that men prefer Madonnas; it's more that men believe that that's what Good Girls are, by nature. Men often find themselves very split on this issue; they secretly crave the "bad girls" of porn but also despise them. They "love" Good Girls but also despise them because of their supposed frigidity.

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When I reread what I wrote, I think it sounds more confrontational that I intended. I was trying to give you credit for spurring my post on this. I have heard your other podcasts on the topic, and in the past week had an e-mail discussion with a bunch women in my writer's self help circle on the topic too. I should have done a better job of framing it as a hypothetical question as to the origins of ASD.

The only guys I can recall labeling women as "Sluts" were the type of jerks who both brag about their sexual conquests to buddies, invariably trying to make it into a contest, and will call women who had sex with them sluts, and the ones who turned them down frigid bitches, etc. Most of these types faded from my existence after high school. I never encounter them in my adult life. If women avoid arrogant asshole type "Ladies Men", they won't have to worry too much about guys calling them sluts.

I interact with a lot of quality women, and they are quite judgmental of other women and don't even realize it. The group exerts great control over women's behavior, and they care what their friends and other women in general think of them far more than they care for any one guy.

In the discussion with the women last week, which started because one was single, depressed, horny, and couldn't just go get laid without being a "Slut", they all blamed her predicament on men and M/WC, and only grudgingly admitted that women were the main source of the slut label. But, they blame everything on men as a general rule, so this is no big surprise. I have found that Hitori's Plausible Deny-ability Theory covers most female behavior, not just responsibility for sex.

I think the guys who end up married to Good Girls, craving the hot sex only Bad Girls can give, are what happens to employable AFCs. They got a good job and still couldn't get laid. Some Good Girl saw a fat fish, decided that was the best she was going to catch, and there they are.

Silver

Agreed 100%. I didn't take it as confrontational, and thanks very much for your comments!

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